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I'm aware that some people don't want to take a vaccine for Covid-19, and in fact some countries have suspended rollout of some vaccines due to some young people getting blood clots. Also some people have had adverse reaction from the virus e.g. anaphylaxis. My question is not about any of these rare, short-term reactions to the vaccine (which I think are poor justification to refuse the vaccine, because the probability of death or serious illness from the virus is far greater than these rare reactions from the vaccine).

People in different countries are weighing the advantages vs the disadvantages of taking the vaccine. A large proportion of people in France are choosing to delay taking the vaccine, probably for various different reasons, whereas most people here in Britain are choosing to take the vaccine.

It seems to me that one of the main reasons that many people including myself are choosing to delay taking the vaccine, is: "fear of the (unknown) long-term potential health effects of taking the Covid-19 Vaccine." Many people express this opinion in the comments here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/jpxv55/only_58_of_people_across_europe_were_willing_to/

and in the comments here:

https://www.ft.com/content/c576e15f-e5b1-4369-a5f0-073b4466036f

In fact, even in the above article itself, it says:

Among the 2,305 survey respondents, many feared long-term side effects...

I suspect that these fears are irrational and that scientists took the unknowns of the long-term effects of the vaccine into account before rolling out the millions of vaccines. Furthermore, people have to make decisions on incomplete information, and everyone does this all the time.

Now I am a layman when it comes to virology and medicine in general. I believe I have some vague understanding of how the vaccines work based on for example this video.

So my question is, what is the science behind why it is so unlikely (<1%?) that the long-term health effects of the vaccine will be harmful to a significant proportion of the population?

Or is this the wrong way of viewing things, and a better way of viewing things is: Whatever long-term harmful effects that you get from the vaccine if you take it, you are very likely to get even worse long-term effects of a similar kind the when you (inevitably at some point) catch the virus if you didn't take the vaccine. Is this correct?

Addendum: One point made by the only current answer is that, "There is no way to completely rule out the possibility of totally unexpected side effects that don't show up until much later." My response to this is that you can't completely rule out anything ever, so "completely ruling out" is irrelevant. I am asking why it is believed to be so unlikely to get side effects from vaccines - in particular the Covid ones - years later (in particular, less likely than getting seriously ill from Covid)?

This website says:

ARE THERE LONG-TERM SIDE EFFECTS? Long-term side effects following any vaccination are extremely rare. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines safely.

Why does no serious side effects in the population after a few months imply no side serious side effects in the population after 10, 20, or 30+ years? Linear extrapolation of the data is surely insufficient justification (extrapolation of data is unreliable). Wouldn't one have to do long-term simulations of multi-variable analysis?

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    Maybe relevant: https://medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/questions/23094/was-there-ever-a-vaccine-candidate-that-showed-negative-side-effects-many-months – BrenBarn Mar 20 '21 at 20:09
  • Yes BrenBarn, that's very relevant. Thanks for that link. – Adam Rubinson Mar 20 '21 at 20:17
  • Something to think about: With hundreds of millions of people already benefitting from at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html), & billions more doses likely scheduled to be shipped, if there winds up being serious long-term problems with the vaccines, humanity will experience an upheaval likely unparalleled in recorded history. Do you really want to be a survivor in that grim scenario? Similarly, would you really want to survive a global nuclear holocaust? There's something to be said for being at ground zero. – End Anti-Semitic Hate Mar 22 '21 at 09:19
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    "Do you really want to be a survivor in that grim scenario?" Yes of course I do. Do you not want to survive that scenario? If so, why not? "would you really want to survive a global nuclear holocaust?" Yes! That's preferable to dying in one (unless you want to die for whatever reason)! Note that in the first part of your comment you say "already benefiting", which kind of implies that you think there won't be any long-term effects of taking the vaccine, i.e. you're assuming the answer to the question is no, one shouldn't fear the long-term effects... - without justifying this first. – Adam Rubinson Mar 22 '21 at 09:47
  • https://practio.co.uk/coronavirus/articles/coronavirus-vaccine-ingredients – Adam Rubinson Apr 18 '21 at 20:41
  • Isn’t it as simple as tabulating the incidence rates of various adverse medical conditions vs. if these folks were vaccinated or not? These tables, which by now contain millions of folks in the case of Covid-19 vaccines, would be nice for many on the fence. – Don Slowik Jun 21 '21 at 23:59
  • @DonSlowik No, it hasn't been the long term yet. By "long term", I mean 30+ years from now. So this means that if we tabulated various data to date, then we would have to extrapolate the data which is unreliable. Therefore one cannot make any fully informed decision based on statistics, about whether taking the vaccine is preferable to not taking the vaccine. The decision is clear for older people, however, because their death rate from Covid is high. For younger people it is less clear, and in fact the UK government are not giving the vaccine to 15 year-olds and younger. – Adam Rubinson Jun 22 '21 at 10:03
  • @AdamRubinson I think it's worth considering why a "long term" effect would not show up for such a long term. It seems to me that would be either because an extremely tiny change would have to persist for decades to have a noticeable effect, or that some change might lie dormant for decades and then become activated. Neither seems at all plausible for at least the mRNA vaccines. My understanding of your phrase "fully informed decision" is that one can never make a "fully" informed decision on anything ever, so it doesn't seem useful for this question. – Armand Jun 22 '21 at 13:39
  • Thanks for you comment. Sorry yes, I didn't mean "fully informed decision". I meant that current tabulation cannot be extrapolated reliably. And "implausible" in the context you've presented basically means, "very unlikely". But the chance of younger people getting seriously ill from Covid is also very unlikely, so this is about comparing one small percentage with another small percentage. Although it's more than that: it's above weighing the total advantages against the total disadvantages of taking the vaccine vs not taking the vaccine. – Adam Rubinson Jun 22 '21 at 14:18
  • Which seems rather nontrivial to me, despite it being presented as such to the masses by media and unhelpful TV adverts with Elton John in them telling me to go get the jab, as if that's going to convince me.... – Adam Rubinson Jun 22 '21 at 14:18
  • @AdamRubinson The risks are not of comparable magnitude. My meaning of not at all plausible was "no known mechanism", that is essentially zero, not just "very unlikely". According to UK health authorities, roughly 0.4% of people in England aged School Year 12 to Age 34 were thought to be covid-positive in the week ending 12 June 2021. A plausible hospitalization rate for that age group of 1 in 1000 of those infected with Delta variant would give a risk much higher than "essentially zero". I'm not sure how "essentially zero" could become nontrivial, but ymmv. – Armand Jun 22 '21 at 16:47
  • @AdamRubinson I agree any tabulation of adverse medical conditions among vaccinated vs. unvaccinated to date may not give a clue about long term effects. I’m just wondering why we wouldn’t fear the ‘any term’ health effects without seeing the tabulation? – Don Slowik Jun 23 '21 at 18:56
  • @DonSlowik yes, but either the effects are short-term or long-term. The tabulation of the short-term effects is already out there, and it suggests we shouldn't fear the short-term effects. Especially since they have made adjustments recently in which vaccines are given to each age group: e.g. the AZ vaccine is not being given to under-40's in the UK now because of the blood clots. At least, that's what they told me when I turned up for my first shot- and that's the reason they turned me away! lol. But I got the Moderna vaccine at the same place a week later anyway, so the deed is done for me.. – Adam Rubinson Jun 23 '21 at 19:42
  • @AdamRubinson Do you know of any good tabulations of adverse med conditions (short-term) by vaccinated/ non-vaccinated? Looking for spreadsheet of numbers vs a media distillation. That’s important for those with trust issues… I’m set with the Pfizer BionTech. – Don Slowik Jun 24 '21 at 14:16
  • to be honest, no i don't... . I kind of believe the media figures of roughly 1 in 100,000 (or about that order of magnitude) people got blood clots from AZ. But you wouldn't be wrong to say I lack scepticism of such a claim. But there's too much information to distil and I found that weaving my way through the numbers was dizzying and lacked any clarity, that I kind of gave up on it a while ago, and "trust the scientists" now. I've given up on stressing myself out about things that I don't think I can get to the bottom of... – Adam Rubinson Jun 24 '21 at 14:32
  • Likewise. Exactly. But at least I feel good to have distilled the question down to “Show me the numbers of adverse med conditions for vaccinated and non vaccinated tabulated into a spreadsheet”. Given the lack of such transparency, you and I defer to our trust in Science, and many others defer to their lack of trust in the System. Do you mind if I email the CDC to read through our comments in the hopes they see the importance of publishing (and updating) such a spreadsheet? – Don Slowik Jun 24 '21 at 14:44
  • Of course, this is a public Q&A site anyway, so you can do what you want with it... . I have also found that the data released by the ONS (office for national statistics) in the UK to not be particularly useful. Do you look at the number of daily new cases, or the number of people with Covid-19 at any one time in the last week, or... it's confusing to me. – Adam Rubinson Jun 24 '21 at 14:56
  • Just got off phone with CDC. Best I got was https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=322FA84D15E772EFBD5B6080AB13. which provides access into their Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) data which only includes self reported post vaccinated data as I understand. – Don Slowik Jun 24 '21 at 16:38

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This general-audience article from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia gives a good overview of reasons to believe that long-term side effects are unlikely. To summarize its two main points:

  • Previous vaccine research and development has found that most side effects occur within about two months. The FDA approval process for COVID vaccines required the trial to follow participants for eight weeks before submitting the vaccine for approval.
  • Although the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are the first mRNA vaccines in wide use, previous mRNA vaccines were developed and tested for Zika, influenza, and other diseases. Thus although the technology is "new" it is not as if this is the first time anyone has been injected with mRNA.

In assessing long-term side effects, one problem is you have to wait a long time, but another problem is that the longer you wait, the more difficult it becomes to track the results and determine which events can be attributed to the vaccine. Answers to this question discuss such issues with the oral polio vaccine.

There is no way to completely rule out the possibility of totally unexpected side effects that don't show up until much later. You can't really know what will happen in ten years until ten years have passed. However, all that is known from previous vaccines suggests it is unlikely that some catastrophic side effect will suddenly arise years later.

Your last question is also relevant: any decision about the use of the vaccine has to take into account the risks of not using it. Given the massive public health crisis and other societal damage caused by COVID-19, there would probably need to be significant justification for waiting, say, an extra year "just to be sure" that no side effects emerged in that time. Also, preliminary data on "long COVID" mean that it is also possible there will be long-term "side effects" of COVID-19 itself, meaning that delaying the vaccine to avoid its possible side effects could just result in people suffering different long-term effects from the disease. So even if a catastrophic vaccine side effect did arise years later, that could still be better than not getting the vaccine. (Of course, we won't know the long-term effects of COVID until time passes, just as we won't know the long-term effects of the vaccine.)

Another thing to remember is that people's subjective feelings about risk levels are often only vaguely connected to reality. I'm sure there are people out there who worry about the risk of the COVID vaccine but smoke a pack of cigarettes a day; three guesses which one of those is likely to pose a greater health risk. Some people worry about the risk of dying in a crash when they get on a commercial airline flight in the US, despite the fact that annual total deaths from such events rarely exceed zero. (Here is one classic paper on risk perception.) Fear of long-term side effects is as likely to be due to the human tendency to exaggerate unfamiliar risks as it is to be due to any actual risk from the vaccine. In other words, even apart from the scientific evidence for the safety of this vaccine, there is a fair amount of scientific evidence that how safe you think something is may not be a good predictor of how safe it actually is.

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    Thanks for the answer: many good points made. My response: "In assessing long-term side effects, one problem is you have to wait a long time". Is this necessarily true? Can insight into the long term effects not be approximated using the studies done on mice and seeing the "long-term" effects on mice, using the fact that mice live much shorter than humans? "...from previous vaccines suggests it is unlikely that some catastrophic side effect will suddenly arise years later." Firstly, can you cite any research papers or studies with evidence that the Rubella... – Adam Rubinson Mar 22 '21 at 10:38
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    ...vaccine doesn't increase risk of certain types of cancer? Have scientists carried out research/analysis to determine this? And assuming the above quote is true, is there good scientific reason for this? After taking the vaccine, is the only thing that lingers in the body the antibodies created by your body, caused by a reaction from the virus part of the vaccine? And basically do the antibodies just sleep in your cells and not really affect/interact with other parts of your cells or body? Or how does it work? Talking about the mechanisms might help me to understand what's going on... – Adam Rubinson Mar 22 '21 at 10:38
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    My Rubella example might come across as anti-vaxxer-y. But I ran out of space and time to edit the comment. What I was really asking was: do scientists track and analyse the long-term effects of vaccines? Or do they not even see a need to do this? – Adam Rubinson Mar 22 '21 at 10:44
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    "There is no way to completely rule out the possibility of totally unexpected side effects that don't show up until much later." You can't completely rule out anything ever, so "completely ruling out" is irrelevant. I am asking why it is believed to be so unlikely? – Adam Rubinson Apr 12 '21 at 21:17
  • @AdamRubinson - Your peppering of the user posting this answer is inappropriate. You asked a question and received an answer, which likely took a long time to write. Your comments make it look like what you want is a debate. SE is not a debate site. I would answer it were it not for this perception. – anongoodnurse May 05 '21 at 19:52
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    @anongoodnurse I re-read this answer(again), then re-read my "peppering". I'm sorry but I disagree with you.My questions are pertinent and this answer doesn't fully answer my original question. Young people have a real choice of whether or not to take the vaccine, and I don't see sufficient reason for them to do so (at least, here in the UK). A real answer to my question would include something like, "scientists, who know the intricate mechanisms of mRNA, know with very high probability that adverse long-term effects from the vaccines are far less likely than getting seriously ill from Covid". – Adam Rubinson May 05 '21 at 20:41
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Since there are a number of vaccine technologies being used for Covid vaccines, a complete answer is complex.

Perhaps the simplest situation is that of the mRNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer and Moderna). With these, a short piece of mRNA (the genetic "working instructions" that direct the production of one or more proteins) is injected into a person, enters some of their cells, and directs them to make a slightly modified version of the Covid "spike" protein. Only the mRNA and some fatty molecules that coat the mRNA and protect it until it gets into the cell are injected.

The fatty molecules are small and simple and quite safe. Although a very few people may have an allergic reaction to them, that shows up very quickly and is the reason for the post-shot 15-30 minute waiting period. We are confident that there will be no long-term effects from the tiny amount of fatty molecules.

The mRNA is essentially a small snippet of the virus's mRNA. The spike protein it codes for is used by a full-blown intact virus to attach to a cell and "inject" a full virus mRNA into that cell as the first stage of infection. However, the vaccine mRNA snippet contains no instructions for the other viral proteins, so no infection results and no working viruses are produced. The spike protein that is made appears on the cell's surface, both whole and in pieces, and the body's immune system recognizes these as foreign molecules appearing on the body's own cells, triggering an immune response. What happens over the next few weeks is that out of the body's many antibody-producing cells (B cells), each recognizing a single semi-random shape, those that match the shape of part of the spike protein get activated, divide over and over, and produce lots of antibodies matching that shape. At the same time, T cells, also each recognizing a single semi-random shape, get activated and divide if they match the shape of part of the spike protein. Some of these T cells directly kill cells showing part of the spike protein on their surface (presumably, infected cells). Some of the T cells activate B cells matching the spike protein so they produce more antibodies, which circulate in the blood.

Over a time span of months, the antibody levels slowly drop if no further spike protein is present, but a small number of the B cells and T cells continue to circulate for months or years. If they are again activated by the presence of spike protein, they quickly jump-start the reaction process to produce more B cells, antibodies and T cells in only a day or two instead of the few-week process from a first exposure. The 2nd shot of 2-dose vaccines triggers this second phase, which helps the "memory" effect last even longer and be more potent at the next exposure (i.e. when actually exposed to the real virus).

The whole process triggered by the vaccine mRNA is a subset of that in the real viral infection -- the actual viral infection also involves more viral genes and additional attacks on immune system and other cells. Thus, any reaction that is due to the vaccine should also happen in an actual viral infection, so in theory there is nothing to be gained and much to lose by forgoing an mRNA vaccine and instead waiting to get an actual Covid virus infection.

There is an additional danger in waiting to get vaccinated: the live Covid virus is mutating, and selection seems to be favoring "variants" that infect people much more easily and/or make people sicker once they are infected. Thus, the longer one waits to get a vaccine, the greater the chance of being infected by Covid once exposed, and the greater the chance of more serious illness once infected.

The above analysis does not apply for other types of vaccines, such as those that use modified or crippled helper viruses to introduce parts of the Covid virus genetic material into cells, as the additional material introduced into cells is substantially more complex than just some fatty molecules.

PS - In general, a vaccine just gives the body's immune response a "preview" of a likely future infectious agent, so that system is able to respond within hours or days instead of weeks once that agent infects the body, and clear it with little or no obvious illness symptoms. We are constantly exposed to infectious agents, triggering the specific immune system at some level probably daily. This immune response is so important to continued life that the system has been maintained and extended by evolution over hundreds of millions of years in vertebrate animals. That would likely not have been the case if it were easy to induce negative long-term consequences by triggering it (e.g. from vaccines). Thus, you can think of "vaccines" as essentially having a many-hundred-million year good safety record.

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    "That would likely not have been the case if it were easy to induce negative long-term consequences by triggering it (e.g. from vaccines)." I'm not sure I understand this sentence. However, I get the gist of your answer, which I believe is a good one. It shines light on the fact that my qualms with vaccines is that they rely on probabilistic data rather than mathematically/physically deterministic models. [For example, how do we know that biproducts of mRNA won't participate in some unforeseen mechanism that contributes to disease.] However, I guess probabilistic models are the best we have... – Adam Rubinson May 18 '21 at 10:03
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    My sentence just means that evolution should have already pretty much weeded out easy-to-trigger bad long-term consequences from the immune system. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "probabilistic data" -- perhaps the data from human trials? Besides that, there's the theoretical analysis that our cells are already full of all sorts of mRNA, so no new byproducts are being introduced by an mRNA vaccine. As I mentioned, that's different from e.g. adenovirus vector vaccines, which introduce a lot of cellular machinery into the cell. – Armand May 18 '21 at 14:47
  • Also relevant: https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/myths-about-covid-19-vaccines – Adam Rubinson May 31 '21 at 16:53
  • Not to nitpick, but I think relying on millions of years of evolution is not necessarily correct. For example, we have been evolved to binge sweet and fatty foods probably because it favors (short term) survival. Long term, we are confronted with obesity, permanent inflammation, etc. – Maarten Nov 14 '21 at 09:26